What was the last movie you watched?

[SpartanOmega]

Thanks for the insight. I couldn't tell from the commercials if it was anti-Christian, or not. I should have just thought about the name, Legion.

I saw Julie and Julia

It's not as horrible as a person of the male variety may suspect. I actually enjoyed the movie, and overall thought it was pretty good.

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I say watch it if you have the chance.

[CountKrazy]

The name "Legion" is referencing the army of angels, not the demon possessed guy in the Bible. XD

At least... I think. >.>

And I honestly liked Julie & Julia, too. It wasn't amazing, but I still liked it.

[SpartanOmega]

The name "Legion" is referencing the army of angels, not the demon possessed guy in the Bible. XD

At least... I think. >.>

And I honestly liked Julie & Julia, too. It wasn't amazing, but I still liked it.

Legion, in the Bible, was 1000 demons possessing that man. I know it didn't have anything to do with that, but it does kind of set the tone for the movie. They could have called it "Massive amounts of Angels!".... although Legion sounds better.

[ohnolookout]

They should have called it "This Movie Sucks: Not Related To Date Movie In Any Way But Just As Bad". Too long of a title though. Oh well.

[Lazarus]

Oh good grief. Can't the writers use a little creative license when drawing material from Biblical sources?

Last movie... POTC: At World's End, I believe it was.

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[Kendrik]

What Legion supposes is that angels have dominion over men, meaning that they can take possession of them.

I don't see why this is a huge issue. For the sake of filmmaking, why not? For the sake of argument, there isn't really any ground to make a biblical counter-claim. We take for granted that demons can (and do) possess people, and if we reason that demons are simply fallen angels, then why can't we think un-fallen angels able to do the same?

What Legion supposes is that God has had it, and that there is no hope for humanity, that Christ's sacrifice means nothing. What Legion supposes is that an angel - the angel Michael - can change God's mind, and that God cannot foresee any of the actions (somehow, despite his omnipotence) that occur.

"Omniscience," mon amis. Simple semi-typo, but I just wanna clarify vocab for peepz.

That being said, this isn't a new premise... not at its core, anyway. It actually mirrors something seen in Exodus. Israel, after being taken out of Egypt and clearly seeing the hand of God time and time again, decides to get all kinds of stupid in the wilderness while Moses is off talking with God. God sees what they're doing, gets pissed, and says to Moses "Screw them. I'ma wipe 'em out. I'll start over with you." Moses then changes God's mind on the matter, and Israel is thus spared.

How you choose to interpret the matter is important (did God ever actually intend to destory Israel? etc.), but that is the matter. As you described it (which may not fully detail the way things were in the film), the premise has a lot of similarity to something straight out of Scripture.


Is the movie still crap, unworthy of being watched? Wouldn't surprise me. I still plan to see it to make that call for myself, though.

Still, it strikes me as trying to be a work of entertainment fiction rather than a theological dissertation, so I would treat it as such. Because of that, I don't fault the writers for taking a few biblical concepts to create an interesting premise. If it doesn't end up interesting, then that's definitely a fault on the creator's part, but the act itself hardly seems worthy of any contempt.

[Drewsov]

What Legion supposes is that God has had it, and that there is no hope for humanity, that Christ's sacrifice means nothing. What Legion supposes is that an angel - the angel Michael - can change God's mind, and that God cannot foresee any of the actions (somehow, despite his omnipotence) that occur.

"Omniscience," mon amis. Simple semi-typo, but I just wanna clarify vocab for peepz.

It was like 4 am. My apologies.

How you choose to interpret the matter is important (did God ever actually intend to destory Israel? etc.), but that is the matter. As you described it (which may not fully detail the way things were in the film), the premise has a lot of similarity to something straight out of Scripture.

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You could draw that comparison; that would be giving Legion too much credit.

Angels are bound by collars, implying forced servitude. God is portrayed as something fearsome, as opposed to the loving God that we know from the New Covenant. The God that forgave our sins by coming down and dying on the Cross.

In that way, yeah, the movie even bears comparisons to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. No redemption is shown, except for that which man makes for himself. This runs counter to the Christianity that I know.

But even that comparison is giving this movie too much credit. At least The Passion was a film that held artistic vision, emotion, connection to the subject matter by the author.

Still, it strikes me as trying to be a work of entertainment fiction rather than a theological dissertation, so I would treat it as such. Because of that, I don't fault the writers for taking a few biblical concepts to create an interesting premise. If it doesn't end up interesting, then that's definitely a fault on the creator's part, but the act itself hardly seems worthy of any contempt.

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Darksiders - that game I mentioned earlier - establishes within the opening minutes of the game that there are three kingdoms: Man, Heaven and Hell. A "Charred Council" holds back the ambitious Heaven and the corrupted Hell from destroying humankind and bringing about Apocalypse until such time as they can be counted equal to the other two. The Horsemen are the Council's safeguards, keeping Abaddon and the demons at bay... until something goes wrong, and humanity is wiped out. War is blamed for this, and cast out for a century.

Obviously, that game takes massive liberties with the Book of Revelation. So what's the difference for me?

Well, as I explained above (or tried to; I was tired, but wanted to say certain things before I passed out, because they were fresh in my mind), I have no problem with a story taking liberties with parts of the Bible. You and I have had plenty of discussions about this, man. I love Preacher, I love Hellblazer, I was even contemplating buying the graphic novel series Lucifer. These are not stories that hold fast and true to the Bible. These are stories that take vast liberties with it, because they can.

So what's the difference for me?

Writing. Intent. Storytelling prowess. As always, you're more than welcome to see the movie for yourself. I encourage you to if you feel a need to stand up and disagree with my opinion of something. Compared to you, I'm no theology expert.

That said, I know movies, and I know movies that are terrible. This was beyond terrible.

I won't deny that there was something good in this movie, a good message buried beneath the piles and mounds of dreck.

Two lines stick out to me. One I will say here, the other, you'll have to see:

"Lost is so close to being found."

Ain't that the truth.

[Kendrik]

tl;dr

Quality post. It helps me understand where you're coming from. I wasn't particularly looking for debate, I just thought those points were worth consideration. For you, for me, and for all who were reading.

The points you then made in turn are definitely worth consideration, too. I'm not trying to counter your claim that it's crap. You know your movies.

Then again, I'm usually far more interested in my intellectual interactions with a film than anything else... regardless of authorial intent (which is incredibly, and oddly, postmodern of me).

[Pheonix]

And doesn't it say in Revelation not to add or change the words of the book or really bad stuff will happen to you?

"I'm paraphrasing yah heathen"

[Voyde]

'Clancy' with my family. Not a bad movie.

[Orodrist]

The Hurt Locker.

Hey, I actually watched this one with parental consent!

Odd. Makes me suspicious.

Great movie though.

A+

[CountKrazy]

I approve of your approval.

[Bruce_Campbell]

Oh good grief. Can't the writers use a little creative license when drawing material from Biblical sources?

Last movie... POTC: At World's End, I believe it was.

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You liked that? I hope you're being sarcastic.

[Lazarus]

It wasn't perfect, but yes, I liked it!

[Nix]

Uncle Buck.