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You knew this was coming....

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ArcticFox » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:35 pm

There was a time when I thought that would be funny, in that there's no way he could win.

Now, I'm not so sure. I *think* he'll lose, but with the activist judges we have in courts these days...
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ChickenSoup » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:01 pm

Sigh.

Guys... I thought this sounded familiar. It did--cause it happened in 2008. Not that it is gonna stop alarmist clickbait websites who don't research their own content.

I knew I remembered it:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/rel ... ible_N.htm

You can read the court file here:

https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/fede ... 7/1-0.html

And here's a summary:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-m ... etail.html

Spoiler alert: it was dismissed
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Sstavix » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:36 pm

Yeesh, I missed that this was referring to an article from 2008! I'm sorry about that! :oops:

Still, as AF mentioned, I could see someone trying this again in more recent days, and the court upholding it. After all, if the Supremes can ignore the Constitution, why not the rest of the judicial system?

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Deepfreeze32 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Well, I could trip and fall when I leave work today.

Or the world could erupt into another world war by the turn of the decade.

Or the North American continent could be bombarded by meteorites next century.

Or the sun could expand and consume the earth some many thousands (if not millions) of years from now.

Or the universe could blink out of existence at any time.


But that doesn't mean any of that will happen. In fact, since the previous case was dismissed, it's even less likely to happen.

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ChickenSoup » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:20 am

Yeah, sounds like conjecture based on saltiness related to a certain recent Supreme Court ruling
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ArcticFox » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:34 am

Yeesh, I missed that this was referring to an article from 2008! I'm sorry about that! :oops:

Still, as AF mentioned, I could see someone trying this again in more recent days, and the court upholding it. After all, if the Supremes can ignore the Constitution, why not the rest of the judicial system?
Yeah that's kind of a trend these days. I'm kinda thinking about starting a pool with some friends to try and guess when this will come up again. I mean a court in Canada has already started with it, as was mentioned in another post. As it stands now, this kind of lawsuit is absurd and we don't need to be worried just yet, but I'm not sure how much longer that will be the case.

A friend of mine astutely observed that this is the kind of thing the media likes to make an issue of in order to get people fired up and mad at each other so they can keep the ratings up.
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ChickenSoup » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:05 am

I've only seen this recirculating in Christian and right-wing reporting, and it's been my experience that in recent times there's been an uptick in perceived persecution syndrome
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Sstavix » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:16 am

I've only seen this recirculating in Christian and right-wing reporting, and it's been my experience that in recent times there's been an uptick in perceived persecution syndrome
So at what point does it go from a "perceived" syndrome and become actual persecution?

Maybe when people are fined for adhering to their beliefs? Oh wait... that's happened.

Maybe when Christians are gunned down... wait, that's happened, too.

Do you think we should be silent until they actually start rounding us up and hauling us off to "re-education camps?" Or do you think it might be wise to do something now to prevent the country from getting to that point?

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ChickenSoup » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:56 am

Your first link blew up my phone with ads, so I'll check that out on a desktop tomorrow.

The South Carolina shooting was not only unrelated to the government and its treatment of Christianity, but it was also a display of violent racism. Lumping that particular incident into an argument about the government's treatment of religion and using it as a springboard is disappointing.

...and confusing, honestly.

"A violent racist targeted a historically black church in a horrifying shooting; therefore, the government is slowly moving to stamp out Christian influences in society"
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Sstavix » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:38 pm

"A violent racist targeted a historically black church in a horrifying shooting; therefore, the government is slowly moving to stamp out Christian influences in society"
Less the government but more of an effort on several fronts to try and demean or discredit - or n this case, outright attack - Christians. Yes, the shooter's intentions were racially motivated... but then why not target a black neighborhood? Or a black school? He deliberately chose a black church for a reason.

The spiritual battle is not limited to just governments - that's simply one of the weapons being used. There's something bigger going on than we can perceive with our natural senses, and it's been happening for quite some time.

Oh, and....
Your first link blew up my phone with ads, so I'll check that out on a desktop tomorrow.
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby ChickenSoup » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:24 pm

Less the government but more of an effort on several fronts to try and demean or discredit - or n this case, outright attack - Christians. Yes, the shooter's intentions were racially motivated... but then why not target a black neighborhood? Or a black school? He deliberately chose a black church for a reason.
Yes, because it made for an easier target. :? Who carries a gun in a church for defense, even if the individual church involved allows it? Not many.
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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Sstavix » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:19 pm

Less the government but more of an effort on several fronts to try and demean or discredit - or n this case, outright attack - Christians. Yes, the shooter's intentions were racially motivated... but then why not target a black neighborhood? Or a black school? He deliberately chose a black church for a reason.
Yes, because it made for an easier target. :? Who carries a gun in a church for defense, even if the individual church involved allows it? Not many.
Did you know that there's an obscure law in South Carolina that says every adult male must carry a gun to church? It was to ward off "Indian" attacks. It doesn't look like this law was ever repealed. :lol:

But still, that could be a good example of why you should carry a gun everywhere. Because those who want to kill people will target the gun free zones first, where there's less of a chance of people shooting back.

Hang on... what were we talking about before? :?

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Wolfeman » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:00 am

Yes, because it made for an easier target. :? Who carries a gun in a church for defense, even if the individual church involved allows it? Not many.
Most of the churches I've been in over the past year and a half (roughly 100 churches) have several people in them that are carrying. Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Kansas and South Carolina have all had churches with people carrying in them. Illinois was the lone exception because of their gun laws. I know because I have an enhanced Mississippi conceal carry permit and I carry everywhere I go. I always ask the Pastor of each church we go to if he cares if I carry in his church. The answer is almost always that he doesn't care because he has people in his church that carry as well. To be fair those, these are all conservative Baptist churches.

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Re: You knew this was coming....

Postby Bruce_Campbell » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:20 am

but then why not target a black neighborhood? Or a black school? He deliberately chose a black church for a reason.
Because during the civil rights movement, black churches were used at places for black people to gather together, because churches were one of the few places they were allowed to gather together. In fact, many of the churches attacked had been significant places during the civil rights movement.

Also there's the fact that the shooter was a known white supremacist. I don't think they found any anti-Christian propaganda when they searched his home, but they found a lot of racist stuff. If I'm not mistaken, he was a Christian himself.

Let me reverse the question on you: If it wasn't a racial attack, then why not attack a white church? Or a megachurch? Why go after a black church with historical significance if he wasn't trying to to make a racial statement?
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