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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby Bruce_Campbell » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:02 pm

A little after debate commentary

http://liberallogic101.com/?p=7083
tl;dr: Evolutionists are stupid and I didn't watch the debate because evolution is a dumb and stupid religion (and liberals are dumb and stupid too, see my blog title).

EDIT: Sorry Arctic, nothing personal against you. Hope I didn't offend with my snark (aimed squarely at the link).
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArcticFox » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:55 pm

Hey no problem, thanks for being aware though :)

Actually I only really posted that because earlier I was saying a faith vs. science debate is pointless, this guy is framing it as a faith vs. faith debate (which is equally pointless in its own way) which is just another perspective.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArchAngel » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:13 pm

Yeah, I signed off after the first sentence. To it's credit, it let us know what it's about right up front, so I don't have to spend the time saturating my brain with stupid. I already have to drive on California roads.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ScotchRobbins » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:47 am

Yeah, I signed off after the first sentence. To it's credit, it let us know what it's about right up front, so I don't have to spend the time saturating my brain with stupid. I already have to drive on California roads.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArchAngel » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:36 pm

The drivers, in particular.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby Orodrist » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:50 pm

That's because you don't drive a truck. I'm surrounded by terrible yankee drivers every day, but I just go where I want when I want and they get their little imports the heck out of my way.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ChickenSoup » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:05 pm

99% of truck drivers don't know how to drive their trucks, especially in snow. I can handle almost anything in my jeep Cherokee that idiots with lifted 4WD trucks think they can, but end up fishtailing and wiping out in a ditch next to the freeway.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby Orodrist » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:05 am

Oh yeah it takes...practice. And a lot of error.

But I was talking on the road, most people see a big truck moving fast, they move aside.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ohnolookout » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:52 am

Oh yeah it takes...practice. And a lot of error.

But I was talking on the road, most people see a big truck moving fast, they move aside.
I don't. If I'm in the middle lane, or there's someone right in front of me in the left, I slow down to five under the speed limit.

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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby Orodrist » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:10 am

Yeah I mostly was referring to the seemingly endless cars with NY tags we have around here. Those yankees are pretty much gelded anyhow so they move aside pretty fast. Doesn't work on a southerner lol


But yeah, I've done the same, especially when you have some musclehead in a sports car weaving through traffic. Last time I did the guy came after me at a light with a tire iron....
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ohnolookout » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:54 am

Yeah I mostly was referring to the seemingly endless cars with NY tags we have around here. Those yankees are pretty much gelded anyhow so they move aside pretty fast. Doesn't work on a southerner lol


But yeah, I've done the same, especially when you have some musclehead in a sports car weaving through traffic. Last time I did the guy came after me at a light with a tire iron....
Dang. lol

Yeah, it seems to be mostly NY tags as well as Ontario tags. NY tags drive terrible, but Ontario tags just drive suuuuuper slow. In the fast lane.
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ChickenSoup » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:47 pm

Yeah I mostly was referring to the seemingly endless cars with NY tags we have around here. Those yankees are pretty much gelded anyhow so they move aside pretty fast. Doesn't work on a southerner lol


But yeah, I've done the same, especially when you have some musclehead in a sports car weaving through traffic. Last time I did the guy came after me at a light with a tire iron....
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArcticFox » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:45 pm

I like Bill Nye, but he did appear to have had an oopsie there...

I don't think he lied, but that was a pretty big error.

Now, this article goes on to make a series of other claims that I'm not endorsing here, I just wanted to focus on that one item, so don't blow me up :wink:
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArchAngel » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:47 pm

Right, I don't think he lied either, and I don't think it was a matter of ignorance, but just an non-elaborated point. You do get bioturbulence (this might not be the correct term, I'm spacing a bit) where life would dig down, or the soil erodes and re-settle. Out of place is a bit more qualified than simple layers, but how far can you go on technical detail in this sort of debate?

Glad you qualified on the article, too. I didn't take you for an Alex Jones man. ;)
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Re: Ken Ham to debate Bill Nye on creationism

Postby ArcticFox » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:54 pm

Heh I'd never heard of the guy before, but I have the same issue with him as I do anytime someone claims to be able to "win" a Faith vs. Science debate. To me it's such an utter non-sequitur (as I mentioned before) that just engaging in the debate loses points in my eyes.

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