Re: Why Aren’t More Intellectuals Believers?
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:58 am
Once again, a bit of a semantic argument. I'm taking about the workings of God.ArcticFox wrote:What we consider to be supernatural is only that which we don't have a way to test scientifically. Magnetism was once considered supernatural before we understood it well enough to quantify it.ChickenSoup wrote: The data come from observations of nature and inferences from the data are, by definition, confined to the natural and observable. We're observing the natural world, and the supernatural does not fall within the scope of science. I understand what you're getting at, but you're blaming a monochromatic camera for not acknowledging color in the pictures it gives us.
The classic "if I haven't seen it happen, it isn't possible" argument?Also, people too often include things that have NOT been observed under the umbrella of Science, such as biogenesis and evolution, neither of which have ever been observed by anybody.
I suppose it depends on if you're a young earth creationist. I think we can use science to determine what happened, probably. (meaning, our understanding becomes fuller over time) Contradictions occur when you keep a closed mind.I can try and answer your question by asking this one: If God created the universe, should science be able to show that?ChickenSoup wrote: Like I said before, discussing the supernatural falls outside the scope of science... so why should they talk about God? At the end of the day, they present some evidence that X may cause Y because of Z data, and we are free to say "Ah, yes--as God created it to be."
For the benefit of our discussion: You say you aren't calling for religion and science to mix... but then you seem irritated that they aren't? Can you clarify your objections?
Okay?Objectively, the existence of God isn't a matter of religion.
I didn't claim otherwise.He either exists or He doesn't. Religion makes claims about His divine nature, His will and morality, which are not matters of science and thus, shouldn't mix. The Bible isn't a source of scientific information and shouldn't be used in scientific discussion.