Actually the statistic was in the article originally posted by ccgr. http://www.examiner.com/article/study-s ... -believers. Hard fact. Science!Albert Einstein, one of the most intelligent people that ever lived, was a man of religion. Copernicus was a Catholic as well as a mathematician and astronomer. These men are probably smarter than wither you or I, and they believed. How do you explain that, from your philosophy?
Here's the link http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008 ... e.religionThe word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
I think I never said that. I said religion (not Christianity). There are statistics that people with a lower IQ are more susceptible to religion. This is a proven fact. So how could I take that back?So with that in mind, it will help all of us sdaf if you take back that statement of Christianity not being a trait of the intelligent. It is simply not true.
Right. You only talk to us like we are.I do not believe you all to be stupid.
It is an issue of semantics only. Christianity is a religion, so if you make an assertion that you believe is true of all religion, then it also applies to Christianity as well since Christianity is a type of religion.
I think I never said that. I said religion (not Christianity).
EDIT: I looked back to earlier in this thread after posting this and had not noticed that a link to a statistical analysis in 2013 had been posted. I found a similar article on Yahoo News about the same analysis, although they had a different set of interpretations than Examiner.com did.There are statistics that people with a lower IQ are more susceptible to religion. This is a proven fact. So how could I take that back?
This may be a topic for another thread, but there is a lot more to take into account when discussing the history of Christianity in addition to this. There is a lot more involved that may put how one views these things in a much different perspective. There is of course the history of Christianity in its founding days of Antiquity in the Roman Empire for starters.Christianity had its party times during the middle ages (inquisition, crusades, witch hunts and all this fun stuff) and is now (and that also only my personal opinion) a highly corrupted system, but more or less harmless and in its death throes.
I think there's no easy answer to this one, as to me that is a matter of the heart rather than of the mind. Matters of the human heart are not things that human reasoning alone can reach. There has to be some greater understanding of their emotional, psychological, philosophical, and spiritual state first. I think part of the answer though comes from this statement:but even if their puppets committing their holy crimes are measurably intelligent, how can they blow themselves up, believing that a lot of virgins wait for them in the afterlife? How can an intelligent person do such a thing, believe such a totally stupid story?
Two things to say about this:There's a difference in my opinion between measurable intelligence and behaving intelligently. And yes - intelligent != intellectual.
I couldn't disagree more with this. As one who has left the faith on intellectual reasons, this is a gross mischaracterization. It's insulting.I get why people do that. It's a peer pressure thing. It's to fit in. You want to know why the so-called "Intellectual Elite" eschew religion? Because it's become fashionable. Period. It's a fad.
Broamir, you know I respect you, and what I said there was directed at the preening jerks who do it to try and prove their desire for intellectual superiority. I know what your journey was like, and believe me, you were not who I was thinking of when I wrote that.I couldn't disagree more with this. As one who has left the faith on intellectual reasons, this is a gross mischaracterization. It's insulting.
I'd respond to this by saying religion has never been more needed than it is now.The actual fact of the matter is that religion simply does not make sense anymore.
I hope I've been able to clarify my position here, because I do extend that respect to you. I know you extend it to us and it is appreciated.I grant that the religious are very sincere in their beliefs; is it too much to ask for that base respect in return?
I would say that more accurately. Christ is needed now as much as he's ever been, and the need for religion and Pharisaical doctrine is needed as little now as it ever was.I'd respond to this by saying religion has never been more needed than it is now.
I understand and I wasn't taking it personally. I'm making the case that most atheists follow at least a similar pattern to me. Some might not come from religious backgrounds, but it's a position of evidence and not a fad.Broamir, you know I respect you, and what I said there was directed at the preening jerks who do it to try and prove their desire for intellectual superiority. I know what your journey was like, and believe me, you were not who I was thinking of when I wrote that.
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