Dirkdigdeep wrote:The verses speak for themselves are contextually used and mean what they say . They require no explanation when used in the subject and context in which they are posted.
Then kindly use them in their proper context, please. If you're going to cite scripture in the course of a discussion like this, then yes you do have a certain obligation to explain your point and why you use them, otherwise your arguments won't be taken seriously by others. People don't interpret Scripture consistently. It's unfortunate but it's true. Otherwise there wouldn't be thousands of denominations around the world, with thousands of different interpretations of the same book.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
AS Christians ( real Christians) we can judge because God does it and reveals it to us as righteous judgement (1 Cor 2: 9-16) those verses prove we can judge another persons faith, doctrines and salvation.
These verses aren't about judging people, brother.
1 Corinthians 2:9-16(King James Version):
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
A close reading of these verses teaches us that God will give us understanding through revelation by the Spirit. In other words, understanding of God's Word comes not by the understanding of men, but by God. The judgement referred to here is the ability to discern the truth about the meaning of God's Word.
This applies when we hear the absurd arguments floating around today's culture where people are trying to say that God is okay with homosexual behavior and same sex marriage, etc. To discern the truth, one must rely on understanding that comes by the Holy Spirit. These verses are not a license to pass judgement on other people.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
I did NOT say i can pass sentence LIKE a judge , i said i can judge (spiritually discern) if they are saved . We Must be able to do this or else how can we do THIS> 2Jn 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, A( is in sin by not abiding in) and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Well, this doesn't provide a means to judge the Salvation of others. This is very clearly a warning about avoiding false doctrine preached by those who are clearly not living according to God's Word. I would say this is an excellent example of how we can know the Episcopalians are falling away by embracing homosexual preachers and same sex marriage.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
OR This> 2Co 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? (16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
A warning about keeping one's self separate from those who do not believe. This is to void being made unclean through association. So yes, we do need to use discernment there.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
Or this> Tit 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; (11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
These two verses only make sense within the context of the rest of the Chapter. Otherwise how can someone know what Paul means by the "first and second adnomintion?"
Titus 3 teaches how to live and deal with each other. Verse 1 tells us to "Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work," and verse 2 says "To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men." It then reminds us that we're saved by Grace and not by good works.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
or this> 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
All true, but I fail to see how this proves what you're saying about judging people.
Dirkdigdeep wrote:
Lets NOT play games , not everyone who says Lord Lord shall enter into the KINGDOM.
That's right. They won't.
The verses you cited are great verses but they aren't what teach us how to discern who true followers of Christ are. I believe the first post in this thread does so.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
"He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool."
—Brigham Young
"Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus."
—Christopher Hitchens