Everybody here is, like, super wrong.
This is already pretty enflamed, so why not embrace it.
Usmc52002 wrote:Oh my , like i have said on other posts . End times is upon us .
Nothing quite invalidates one's own statement like following it up with "End times is upon us." People have been saying this for millenia. Yeah, things aren't the way you like it, it doesn't mean it's doomsday. I get that it's the christian way of saying times are getting worse, but it's just so fallacious on so many levels.
ArcticFox wrote:This is one of the major reasons why Star Trek is Fantasy, not sci fi.
Star Trek is science fiction. It may get science wrong a lot, but it's pretty staunchly soft sci fi. Come on, get it together.
On a lesser point, the ability for women to have power over their own reproduction system is an incredibly powerful right and is strongly tied to civil well-being. The question is when does personhood and/or consciousness start. To deny reproduction rights on the grounds for fetus which hasn't developed consciousness isn't morally laughable. And if those dang Klingons want to go to war over it, so be it! Qapla'! I'll see them at Axanar!
ArcticFox wrote:That's right because only Christians are deluded enough to think unborn babies shouldn't be torn apart and tossed in a dumpster, amirite?
Also, it probably should be handled as medical waste...
Lazarus wrote:The graphic language is used to appeal to emotion and override the fact that a bunch of angry white men want to legislate every little detail of how all women manage their wombs and other body parts, while ironically claiming that they want the government to stay out of our lives.
I have a couple bigh issues with this rhetoric. While yes, technically since most of our legislators are white men, this is the case, but the do represent a very large populace of both men and women, and of many ethnicitie, who feel very strongly about pro-life.
Apart from being just misleading, it's just that sort of provocation that will never lead to any constructive dialogue, but in turn will set pro-lifers against merited points. It offers to value, pretends to be true while being at it's core, wrong, and only polarizes an already over-polarized issue.
ChickenSoup wrote:All headbutting aside, the issue at hand is whether or not rich old white men get to legislate issues they know little about, have little experience with, or will never have to face the consequences of. It's like how I get ticked when they feel they know enough to legislate laws involving tech. Well, I mean, that has to do with their financial backing too, but ignoring that for a moment... >_>
Well, okay, we have some good discussian material here, but, to stay true to my opening clause, I'm going to have to disagree. Also, I disagree.
Now, far be it from me to say our current legislators are representative of the people, but it's not really that they are not representative of women's issue biologically. You can always find some facet that our elected officials are not paritied on with the people. They are elected and that if they are not representative enough, that needs to be fixed in election. Representation, also, should be based on political positions and ideas, and not simple one's biological or sociological traits. A sextagarian latina could represent me better than a half-asian 30 something guy. We can't have congress being nulled out on every election because they can't make rules involving welfare since none of them are on welfare, etc.
Even if you had a full panel of women, the abortion debate still goes on. It's about reproduction rights versus rights of the fetus.
But, I do give credence to your point that the people making the decisions seems to do little job educating themselves on what they need to know to make an informed choice.
ChickenSoup wrote:Borg Jesus was assimilated for your sins
Yeah, okay. This is true.