Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

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Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ArcticFox » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:38 pm

Consider this mind blower.

The earliest historical info we have is about 6,000 years old. That means that 97% of human history has been lost.

Now consider the implications of that. It took us 6,000 years to go from stone carvings to putting a man on the Moon and inventing the double down hot dog. That cycle could have taken place over 33 times since 200,000 years ago.

How many times has civilization risen and fallen on this planet already? Are there things on the Moon built by Man in a previous iteration? Is that why all the secrecy on some of the recent lunar imaging projects?

Puts a whole new spin on the question of UFOs, doesn't it?
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Deepfreeze32 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:01 pm

Interesting hypothesis, but I'll wait until we (hopefully) go back to the moon to see. :P

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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ChickenSoup » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:20 pm

Consider this mind blower.

The earliest historical info we have is about 6,000 years old. That means that 97% of human history has been lost.

Now consider the implications of that. It took us 6,000 years to go from stone carvings to putting a man on the Moon and inventing the double down hot dog. That cycle could have taken place over 33 times since 200,000 years ago.

How many times has civilization risen and fallen on this planet already? Are there things on the Moon built by Man in a previous iteration? Is that why all the secrecy on some of the recent lunar imaging projects?

Puts a whole new spin on the question of UFOs, doesn't it?
IIRC large settlements couldn't come about until the dawn of agriculture
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Sstavix » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:43 pm

Consider this mind blower.

The earliest historical info we have is about 6,000 years old. That means that 97% of human history has been lost.

Now consider the implications of that. It took us 6,000 years to go from stone carvings to putting a man on the Moon and inventing the double down hot dog. That cycle could have taken place over 33 times since 200,000 years ago.

How many times has civilization risen and fallen on this planet already? Are there things on the Moon built by Man in a previous iteration? Is that why all the secrecy on some of the recent lunar imaging projects?

Puts a whole new spin on the question of UFOs, doesn't it?
IIRC large settlements couldn't come about until the dawn of agriculture
And he's saying that, perhaps, this has happened. And large cities and civilizations were created. They may have colonized the moon, and perhaps even Mars. And then, for whatever reason, these civilizations were destroyed, and reduced to so much dust, that nothing remained and nothing could be found of them.

Perhaps the double-down dog destroyed these ancient civilizations.....

This concept actually has been explored by other authors (Robert Jordan comes to mind). I don't think we have any way of proving it's true, but it sure is a fun thing to speculate about!

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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Orodrist » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:19 am

Consider this mind blower.

The earliest historical info we have is about 6,000 years old. That means that 97% of human history has been lost.

Now consider the implications of that. It took us 6,000 years to go from stone carvings to putting a man on the Moon and inventing the double down hot dog. That cycle could have taken place over 33 times since 200,000 years ago.

How many times has civilization risen and fallen on this planet already? Are there things on the Moon built by Man in a previous iteration? Is that why all the secrecy on some of the recent lunar imaging projects?

Puts a whole new spin on the question of UFOs, doesn't it?
IIRC large settlements couldn't come about until the dawn of agriculture
Which didn't happen until we discovered alcohol. Just saying guys.
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ChickenSoup » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:54 am

Which is too important to forget for large periods of time, as Arctic is implying. QED :P

But seriously.
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Orodrist » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:01 am

I dunno man, maybe an earlier civilization, or species even, discovered alcohol and treated it like a god, until they eventually just forgot everything.
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ArcticFox » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:50 pm

And he's saying that, perhaps, this has happened. And large cities and civilizations were created. They may have colonized the moon, and perhaps even Mars. And then, for whatever reason, these civilizations were destroyed, and reduced to so much dust, that nothing remained and nothing could be found of them.

Perhaps the double-down dog destroyed these ancient civilizations.....

This concept actually has been explored by other authors (Robert Jordan comes to mind). I don't think we have any way of proving it's true, but it sure is a fun thing to speculate about!
Indeed.

If you've never watched the show "Life After Humans" you should check it out. Each episode focuses on a major city and describes what would happen if, all of a sudden, human beings just vanished. Power plants would operate for a few days before automated systems failed, over the years plants would regrow, buildings would collapse, etc.

What struck me about the show as just how completely evidence of our modern civilization would be utterly obliterated. In 1,000 years you'd never know an advanced technological culture ever existed on this planet. Ironically, the Great Pyramids would be standing long after anything we ever built was completely gone.

So yeah, if there were civilizations like ours here before, we'd have no way of knowing it.
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Deepfreeze32 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:28 pm

Well, maybe.

As you said, things like the great pyramid are still standing today (Fun, mind-blowing fact: The time difference between now and the time of Cleopatra is greater than the time difference between Cleopatra and the building of the Great Pyramid.), so if previous civilizations advanced like ours, where is the evidence for precursor civilizations? Or was the suggestion that we had something like our civilization between the ancient cultures and now?

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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ArcticFox » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:51 pm

Well, maybe.

As you said, things like the great pyramid are still standing today (Fun, mind-blowing fact: The time difference between now and the time of Cleopatra is greater than the time difference between Cleopatra and the building of the Great Pyramid.), so if previous civilizations advanced like ours, where is the evidence for precursor civilizations? Or was the suggestion that we had something like our civilization between the ancient cultures and now?
The former...

But that's the thing. I'll have to look it up, but I heard once of an ancient stone structure somewhere in South America (I think it was Chile, maybe Argentina) that they think might be something like 18,000 years old. That would put it easily in one of many possible timelines for a previous civilization cycle.
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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby Deepfreeze32 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:15 pm

I think I've heard about that, but I don't remember details...

Also interesting is Teotihuacan. The Aztecs named the city, and discovered it nearly a millenia after it's estimated construction. That's right, discovered. You see, the city was sacked around the 7th century CE (Not an uncommon occurrence for Mesoamerican cultures, see also the Maya), and when the Aztecs discovered it, they found nothing indicating who had lived there before. Which is why they named it Teotihuacan, or "Place where the gods are born", as they believed it be built by the gods.

We know shockingly little about the people who inhabited Teotihuacan. What were their gods named? What did they look like? Why did they practice seemingly-rampant ritual human sacrifice? Who knows.

Also, it encompassed about 32 Square Kilometers. I believe we've only excavated some 25% of it. So many things lie buried, who knows what they may hold?


I should become an archaeologist. XD

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Re: Y-Chromosomal Adam Lived 208,300 Years Ago

Postby ChickenSoup » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:10 pm

Quick check: we are all in agreement that history is amazing. Right? XD
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