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The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationism

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:30 pm
by ccgr
LONDON, June 18 (UPI) --The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationism as scientifically valid in all schools receiving public funding.
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Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:33 pm
by ArchAngel
Good. It's not science. If you want it taught, get it taught in a religions class.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:25 pm
by Deepfreeze32
Good. It's not science. If you want it taught, get it taught in a religions class.
This.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:55 pm
by Wildebear
Is this really a Christian forum?

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:16 pm
by Deepfreeze32
Is belief in Creationism really a deal-breaker for being a Christian? Last time I checked, the only prerequisite was believing that Jesus was the son of God, who died for your sins and rose from the dead. That's it.

Also, we have members who aren't Christian. Does that also mean we're not a Christian forum?

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:55 pm
by cjv
I think Arch and Deep are right.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:55 pm
by Wildebear
Is belief in Creationism really a deal-breaker for being a Christian? Last time I checked, the only prerequisite was believing that Jesus was the son of God, who died for your sins and rose from the dead. That's it.

Also, we have members who aren't Christian. Does that also mean we're not a Christian forum?
Why did Jesus die? Where does sin come from?

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:07 pm
by ScotchRobbins
Good. It's not science. If you want it taught, get it taught in a religions class.
This.
That.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:34 pm
by Wildebear
Is belief in Creationism really a deal-breaker for being a Christian? Last time I checked, the only prerequisite was believing that Jesus was the son of God, who died for your sins and rose from the dead. That's it.

Also, we have members who aren't Christian. Does that also mean we're not a Christian forum?
Ah, sorry, I'm a bit slow.

Is this perhaps a Christian Atheism community?
Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the God of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:38 pm
by ArchAngel
I don't think anybody here follow that.

Many of the people who are agreeing with me are Christians whose faith is very important to them. Just because they don't think a religious teaching should be taught in a science classroom doesn't make them any less a Christian.

I am an Atheist, but I am a minority here. The fact I'm welcomed and embraced here is a credit to this community, not a bafflement of their faith.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:55 pm
by Wildebear
I don't think anybody here follow that.

Many of the people who are agreeing with me are Christians whose faith is very important to them. Just because they don't think a religious teaching should be taught in a science classroom doesn't make them any less a Christian.

I am an Atheist, but I am a minority here. The fact I'm welcomed and embraced here is a credit to this community, not a bafflement of their faith.


Evolutionism is just a belief too.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:05 pm
by ccgr
Well for my 0.02 I can see why they did it and I'm not very surprised. The US will follow suit I'm sure. We're roughly 20 years behind the UK morally.

For now I'm okay with public education, but if I were home schooling I would teach both view points and let the kids decide which side of the fence they're on.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:10 pm
by Wildebear
Well for my 0.02 I can see why they did it and I'm not very surprised. The US will follow suit I'm sure. We're roughly 20 years behind the UK morally.

For now I'm okay with public education, but if I were home schooling I would teach both view points and let the kids decide which side of the fence they're on.
So anti-creationism is a moral incentive now?

I can respect allowing people decide. I think that's truly the only way for a multi-religious society...but saying that evolutionism is science is a bunch of horse dung.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:43 pm
by ScotchRobbins

So anti-creationism is a moral incentive now?

I can respect allowing people decide. I think that's truly the only way for a multi-religious society...but saying that evolutionism is science is a bunch of horse dung.
First things first. This is going to turn into an explosive argument. Constructive arguments are much more fulfilling overall, so let's remember that we're disagreeing with ideas and not people.

Second things second. It would be healthy for your beliefs overall if you sat down and gave evolution and natural selection and the lot an unbiased, scientific approach and examination. Either your perspective changes and somehow you see it supplemental and beneficial to your beliefs or your old beliefs intensify as your newfound understanding of evolutionism only furthers your notion that it is all nonsense.

Seriously though, there is nothing worse you can do than write something off as false without examining it. I can speak from experience on that.

Re: The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationis

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:19 pm
by Wildebear

So anti-creationism is a moral incentive now?

I can respect allowing people decide. I think that's truly the only way for a multi-religious society...but saying that evolutionism is science is a bunch of horse dung.
First things first. This is going to turn into an explosive argument. Constructive arguments are much more fulfilling overall, so let's remember that we're disagreeing with ideas and not people.

Second things second. It would be healthy for your beliefs overall if you sat down and gave evolution and natural selection and the lot an unbiased, scientific approach and examination. Either your perspective changes and somehow you see it supplemental and beneficial to your beliefs or your old beliefs intensify as your newfound understanding of evolutionism only furthers your notion that it is all nonsense.

Seriously though, there is nothing worse you can do than write something off as false without examining it. I can speak from experience on that.
I'm not debating atheists here. Who I am debating here are Christians who seem to be hesitant to address my statements that 1) evolutionism is just a theory(it's not concretely scientific) and 2) God and sin had to exist for Jesus's sacrifice to have any meaning. These are the very basic principles of the gospel! Creation - sin - sacrifice - resurrection - salvation.

The ban is not good for us Christians. Christian persecution over the world is on the increase. I'm not a proponent for banning evolutionism. On the contrary, we know through aggressive assertion Christianity has actually decayed into a political entity in many instances. As ccgr wisely stated, choice needs to be the commodity.

We are entering a new age. Everything has to be bound by law. Tax dollars are wasted just so that governments can regulate our society. They want to dictate how we breath, eat, sleep and entertain ourselves. This is not equality or justice at all. It's just another form of indoctrination - as the Roman Catholic Church did in its time. It convinced thousands upon thousands of people that they had to pay gold to atone for their sins. In the same manner the world is being indoctrinated, romanticized and patronized. It's being told that science is objective and true - while unproven theories dominate as general wisdoms.