Bruce is totally seal worthy.ArcticFox wrote:Hmmm good question. Arch?Bruce_Campbell wrote: EDIT: If I agree with AF, does that count as another seal being broken? Or does it only count if ArchAngel does it?
I'm not proud of my hate, nor am I bragging. This isn't me building myself up; this is me expressing my feelings about this. I believe you'd met and interacted with these men, but I've had to help the victims deal with the psychological trauma of it. I'm glad some of them feel bad, but I don't care much. It's about the victims and they take #1 priority.ArcticFox wrote:Here's the thing... I've had some formal education in these matters, some of which was part of leadership training in the BSA. I can tell you that the kind of hate that you guys seem to be so proud of is still less then what these people feel for themselves. I have personally met and interacted with men convicted of these types of crimes and I came away from the experience feeling pity, not hate. These guys hate themselves and what they've done more than you ever will. Sure, there are exceptions where no conscience gets in the way but those are extreme and rare.
I probably should differentiate myself from blacksinow at this point, and I am not arguing for public execution events, or lynch mobs, or even executions. For these cases, as with all other violent crimes, due process of law and long sentences, like life sentences. Inside, I want them strung up and killed in horrific ways, but justice must be cold.
It's a loose mental illness; not on par with ones like Alzheimer's and schizophrenia. Frankly, I'm unconvinced of it. I don't see how it's a mental illness anymore than domestic abuse or rape is. In fact, it is rape. The crime should not be any less severe because the "poor man" had a mental illness. Nope, he raped a child and they are generally too sound of mind to get off on an insanity plea, and I don't want to see that door opened too wide for shorter sentences. There are many very important distinctions from past treatment of the mentally handicapped, and frankly it's just no comparable. Our prisons are a bit better than old mental wards, the aren't locked for up attraction to children but an actual real crime with a real victim, they are not unsound of mind, many preying on multiple children, etc.ArcticFox wrote:It's a mental illness. It needs to be treated if you really want the world to be a safer place for kids. Back in the 19th Century people with prettymuch any kind of mental illness were treated as criminals regardless of what was actually wrong, and it made things worse, not better. As mental health resources and education improved, it became possible to actually help people and make things better. This is another part of that.
If a person who has sexual attraction to children wants to be treated, fine. But if they rape someone, lock 'em up and throw away the key. They will get no pity from me.